[IchiNiSan]

Hah, only after a half year this is disclosed unlike the first time. (wonder if the recent UFO activities are related)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-07...nt_10121179.htm

US report claims China shoots down its own satellite
By Li Xiaokun (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-07-19 07:46

BEIJING - For the second time in three years, China has shot down one of its dysfunctional satellites with a missile, US-based Foreign Policy magazine reported in its latest issue.

The destruction of the satellite, which reportedly happened in January, shows China's defensive missile ability, the magazine said.

The reported firing took place at almost the same time as a successful missile interception test that China conducted on Jan 11.

The website of Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV said the anti-satellite missile test, if confirmed, is likely related to the missile interception test, which occurred at the peak of a dispute between Beijing and Washington on a massive US arms sales deal to Taiwan.

During the interception test, US agencies spotted two missiles launched from two locations from the Chinese mainland, colliding outside the atmosphere, a Pentagon spokesperson said.

China's Foreign Ministry then said the interception test was defensive in nature and was not targeting any country.

Many military scholars believe it was targeting the Patriot missile defense system that Taiwan was trying to buy from the US at that time.

China's first anti-satellite missile test was conducted successfully on Jan 11, 2007, destroying an abandoned Chinese satellite.

The Foreign Policy article did not reveal any other details of the move or any response from the US government.

Chinese military experts even warned that Washington appeared determined to surround China with US-build anti-missile systems.

However, Peng Guangqian, a Beijing-based military expert, said the newly reported anti-satellite missile test was not necessarily related to the US arms deal with Taiwan.

"It was a large test which needs time to prepare for," he said.

"If confirmed, I think it was a further step for China to improve its defensive ability in space."

Peng also said that China has long advocated the principle of a nonmilitary outer space, on which the US has long kept silent.

[Red Fox Ace]

IchiNiSan, on Jul 18 2010, 08:57 PM, said:

China's Foreign Ministry then said the interception test was defensive in nature and was not targeting any country.

Many military scholars believe it was targeting the Patriot missile defense system that Taiwan was trying to buy from the US at that time.

I don't understand this. The Patriot system is a surface-to-air missile. Why would China try to target a surface-to-air system in Taiwan's own backyard? That's using Missile A to intercept Missile B, which was originally itself intended to intercept Missile C.



Not to mention that a Taiwanese Patriot would reach its target (an incoming Chinese SRBM) much sooner than any subsequent Chinese missile would reach the Patriot missile.

[Sampanviking]

Nor surely would a Patriot be used to intercept an SRBM outside the atmosphere - would it?

So it sounds more like a Ballistic Missile test, which does rather make more sense.

Also, to counter Patriot defences, would it not simply make more sense to fire an initial salvo of low value drone rockets with no targeting or warheads etc, simple to draw out and exhaust the Patriots before firing the real deals?

Firing a hyper advanced/fast counter missile to intercept the interceptor, just sounds like bad economics to me.

[Harley-One]

IchiNiSan, on Jul 19 2010, 12:57 AM, said:

Hah, only after a half year this is disclosed unlike the first time. (wonder if the recent UFO activities are related)

Damn it, Ichi. Leave some of the fun, and credit, to poor folks like me will ya !!! I mean Christ! It's early AM here in the west coast North America when this news popped out of the "People's Daily = CNN I suppose" and just as I was about to pop it here, as always, it's either you or it's the Maestro who cheated when sprinting to the finish line. Anyway, here how I had lay it out with a bunch of emailers buddies in my spam listings so people know what I think about all of this:

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From my email spam listing:

"How many things are there in this world that mortals such as you and I are not exempted from having knowledge? Or, is this http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90...82/7070532.html yet more the soundings of the alarm by the hawks of America to be beware of Chinese advancements in military capabilities."

I mean it happened in "January", Man! That six months past. If true, it's another moment we Chinese can be proud, but yet, it takes a "US-based Foreign Policy magazine reported" to lay it tob us, the Chinese public, this news, and still more ironic, it was the People's Daily who covered a story aired by this foreign-based Foreign Policy magazine on an "unknown" Chinese event. I mean isn't that an insult?

If this story is true, then how sad... Because that would mean that we the Chinese people, are still second class citizens in within our own Chinese world because it takes a foreign press to update us on the gooings ons of our very own country...

[IchiNiSan]

Harley-One, on Jul 19 2010, 09:40 PM, said:

Damn it, Ichi. Leave some of the fun, and credit, to poor folks like me will ya !!! I mean Christ! It's early AM here in the west coast North America when this news popped out of the "People's Daily = CNN I suppose" and just as I was about to pop it here, as always, it's either you or it's the Maestro who cheated when sprinting to the finish line.

Considered that your threads criticizing the Party will attract and draw out all the hawks and create pages long fierce discussions, you better leave these kinds of "casual" topics to others.

What you also can think about is to just come back to China, then you are guaranteed to get "Chinese" news earlier than me, because I doubt I would wake up so early. What time is in the West coast right now? Like 5am-6am at the time of your posting???

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Anyway, here how I had lay it out with a bunch of emailers buddies in my spam listings so people know what I think about all of this:

From my email spam listing:

"How many things are there in this world that mortals such as you and I are not exempted from having knowledge? Or, is this http://english.peopl...82/7070532.html yet more the soundings of the alarm by the hawks of America to be beware of Chinese advancements in military capabilities."

I mean it happened in "January", Man! That six months past. If true, it's another moment we Chinese can be proud, but yet, it takes a "US-based Foreign Policy magazine reported" to lay it tob us, the Chinese public, this news, and still more ironic, it was the People's Daily who covered a story aired by this foreign-based Foreign Policy magazine on an "unknown" Chinese event. I mean isn't that an insult?

If this story is true, then how sad... Because that would mean that we the Chinese people, are still second class citizens in within our own Chinese world because it takes a foreign press to update us on the gooings ons of our very own country...

Did you notice that the People's Daily got the source from China Daily? This shows again that the China Daily is slightly more progressive than the other mouthpieces. And the official governmental not making any statement yet show us that it took Beijing by surprise this leak. The reason for me to copy/paste the whole article is to wonder if it will be revised over the day/week.

If news true, my bet is that China & USA (among with other political power blocs) made a deal to keep this news quiet, but as usual in the US they love leaking out information in the most sensitive timing, or one can wonder if it is not someone from the China team who did the leaking. This is all related with the recent Korean bullsh*ts, and someone believed it would be a good idea to show the world the Chinese strengths, either as a news source for certain people in Washington to "save face" and not do the drills in the Yellow Sea, or to solidify the "China threat" theory among the hawks, and many other theories can be thought of.

Whatever the reasons for the leak/disclosure and cover up, I do think the least likely is to create an "insult". To call it an insult is a bit extreme imo. Yes indeed this is an advancement the Chinese people should be proud of and it might have been better to organize another Olympics/Expo like ceremony to fuel nationalism, but like your own email, how many news mortals like us are exempted? I bet much more than we could ever imagine.

[Harley-One]

IchiNiSan, on Jul 19 2010, 02:58 PM, said:

Considered that your threads criticizing the Party will attract and draw out all the hawks and create pages long fierce discussions, you better leave these kinds of "casual" topics to others.

Here's something even more outlandish. take it to CD and knock them out of their pants will ya, Itchi. I mean if this plasma thingy is legit, imagine what it can do to our J-10 and other top of the line fighters once we apply the stuff in them sexy birds we have at home. I mean they'll all be invisible to even our own birds and radars ... I did say the technology of stealth will go the way of the doodle bird just like the geometric swept wing now didn't I? Those F-35's? man! theyb are out. I'm up to my ears with this one with my email buddies. No time for CD until later so knock them dead Man!

BTW, soft power or peaceful rise is OK. But there's a time and place to apply them and a time and place where not to apply it. When we are being bullied is a time we definitely "MUST NOT" apply the philosophy of "peaceful rise". That is where I was leading and I believe that's where Roger was leading also.

And no, unlike Roger, I don't do not see you or our other red guardians as traitors and or fakes. I see you guys as having a difference of viewpoint, which is a healthy thing for places like NCCF.



Hell, I don't know about any of this anymore... I mean this is starting to be getting out of proportion... "Plasma stealth technology and development team"? Are we serious? The following article seem to suggest there are such studies going on in China and I do believe there has to be such programs. But is the science really this far in advance in China? I wish, yes! But believe? Well I'm a bit on the skepticism side...

Story follows:


杭州UFO大揭秘：等离子体隐身进入实用阶段
杭州UFO事件大揭秘（系中国军方向美国暗示我军等离子体隐身技术进入实用阶段）


前几日一则新闻，让大家把目光聚焦到了杭州萧山机场。一个不明飞行物（ufo）影响民航飞机起降。顿时大家各种猜测都出来了。有的人认为这是UFO。


其实这是我国自主研究的等离子体隐身技术进入实用化的一种对外暗示。特别是在美韩准备黄海进行军事演习，航母也要加入。 在这个敏感时期，中国官方的高调报道，值得玩味。没几日，美国宣布其航母不进入黄海，改在韩国东部海域，日本海进行军事演习。


下边我来分析一下，通过大量图片与视频的研究，我发现，其飞行方式还是符合大气中飞行器的飞行方式的。而我们看到的所谓强光其实就是等离子体。


目前，等离子体技术是各军事强国的在研究的前沿技术。我国在等离子体隐身方面投入非常大。物体的第四态等离子态，其对雷达波的吸收折射等方式，可以轻松的实现隐身，同时不必牺牲自身的气动外形。实现隐身简便。


第二张照片更是说明其是一个符合空气动力学的人工飞行器，后部的尾迹，更是说明了这点。喷气发动机高空拉烟都会这样，呈现红色，说明不是傍晚就是在早晨飞行的。同时我一张07年在镇江拍摄的类似的照片。


所以综合图片与视频，与近期的世界局势，我们很容易就可以判断首先这是人工的航空器，是不过装备了等离子体发生装置，在空中大量的等离子体的释放，就会产生于极光一样的效果。


中方的发展高调报道也是报道给美国看的。大家都在研究这个技术，所以内行人一看就知道是什么回事。说明我们的这项技术已经可以投入使用阶段了。



这是在视频中截取的图片，后部明显就是等离子体。





这是在实验室中得到的等离子体，但电等离子体方向是可以进行约束的。





这是杭州的照片





这张是本人07年前在镇江拍摄的


http://www.junshijia.com/Article/focus/tu/...00719120337.htm


As a physicist, do you buy any of this, Joe?

(Joe is Joe Ching from the CD site in case you are wondering but we go way back to the Asiawind days if you've ever been there)

[IchiNiSan]

Harley-One, on Jul 19 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

Here's something even more outlandish. take it to CD and knock them out of their pants will ya, Itchi. I mean if this plasma thingy is legit, imagine what it can do to our J-10 and other top of the line fighters once we apply the stuff in them sexy birds we have at home. I mean they'll all be invisible to even our own birds and radars ... I did say the technology of stealth will go the way of the doodle bird just like the geometric swept wing now didn't I? Those F-35's? man! theyb are out. I'm up to my ears with this one with my email buddies. No time for CD until later so knock them dead Man!

Actually to my surprise I kinda like CD, except for the lost of posts etc but you learn to live with it, but at least to my surprise CD would allow such a big variety of opinions in such a big state mouthpiece being ran freely. Or when I was writing about Zhao Zhiyang and the Tiananmen case in that 'hypocritical western media' thread, I thought that the thread would be closed soon. I think I will be spending more time over there. But they really should do something about those obvious trolls, too many interesting threads will decay to some meaningless discussions.

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BTW, soft power or peaceful rise is OK. But there's a time and place to apply them and a time and place where not to apply it. When we are being bullied is a time we definitely "MUST NOT" apply the philosophy of "peaceful rise". That is where I was leading and I believe that's where Roger was leading also.

Again agreed, but it's the way how you kick that bully's ass (with a combination of soft and hard power) and make the world aware that the disguised bully [as an angel] is actually a unmistakably devilish bully that will truly brings us victories.

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And no, unlike Roger, I don't do not see you or our other red guardians as traitors and or fakes. I see you guys as having a difference of viewpoint, which is a healthy thing for places like NCCF.

I hold no hard feelings over him he must be from another generation. Same like talking to my old dad, we have a generation gap, that is sometimes too shocking, but I can live with that. And that is also the beauty of NCCF I think, we bring all patriots together and can clash and jump into the other's hair. I suspect that behind the scenes in the Party this is also going on all the time.

What I can't stand though is not being able to listen to other's opinions, propaganda for extremists views (like those pretending to be Chinese living in India) and refer to name callings (such as traitor blablabla) etc, this show the exact lack of confidence and non-productivity in which I occasionally despise. You must have seen those so-called democratic Taiwanese parliament's fights in public? I despise not being able to communicate and come to a solution that would benefit the interests of the majority for the short, medium and long term. I think the Party is in this respect much more effective and leaders are capable of actually coming to an effective solution handling all these complicated problems. We should have more people with different viewpoints, who like you actually is open to others with different of viewpoints.

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Hell, I don't know about any of this anymore... I mean this is starting to be getting out of proportion... "Plasma stealth technology and development team"? Are we serious? The following article seem to suggest there are such studies going on in China and I do believe there has to be such programs. But is the science really this far in advance in China? I wish, yes! But believe? Well I'm a bit on the skepticism side...

Technology is an amazing thing, what can I add to this? just remember nothing is impossible.

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As a physicist, do you buy any of this, Joe?

(Joe is Joe Ching from the CD site in case you are wondering but we go way back to the Asiawind days if you've ever been there)

I have seen some of Joe's threads, have yet ti find the time to start in the CD threads though. So, when he is going to post here too?