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Posted 15 August 2009 - 02:12 PM

This is a very interesting article that says Beijing's goal is to make RMB a trading currency in 3 to 5 years -- which implies it will be fully convertible and that other countries will hold it in reserve.


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Beijing?s dollar trap

By Peter Garnham

Published: July 30 2009 17:19 | Last updated: July 30 2009 19:00

New role for renminbi?China is caught in a dollar trap that has prompted a concerted effort to ?internationalise? the renminbi and promote its use outside the country.

Fears over the value of China?s massive dollar holdings, accumulated over the past decade as the country pursued an aggressive policy of export-led growth, have been the trigger for the move.

The market?s focus thus far during the financial crisis has been on China?s call for less dependence on the dollar as a reserve currency and repeated calls for the US to avoid debasing its currency through aggressive monetary and fiscal easing.

But many analysts believe China?s calls for a change to the international monetary regime ? earlier this year it suggested using the International Monetary Fund?s special drawing right as a reserve currency ? are merely a distraction.

Indeed, China has little incentive to talk down the dollar and such calls are regarded as little more than pleas to the US authorities to keep their finances in check.

Simon Derrick, at Bank of New York Mellon, says China is not in a position to sell a significant portion of its dollar holdings in the open market without causing considerable damage to itself. This means that it must explore a number of different short- and long-term strategies to deal with the problem.

?Developments this year indicate that China now believes that its best long-term strategy is to increase the international role of the renminbi, including its use as a reserve currency,? he says. ?This might be the first signal that China is now considering a potential timetable, presumably over years rather than months, for moving towards capital account convertibility.?

It is no wonder the Chinese are concerned about their exposure to the US.

China announced its foreign exchange reserves, the world?s largest, had risen by a record $178.3bn to $2,130bn in the second quarter. Although the exact breakdown of the stockpiles is a secret, analysts estimate that 65-70 per cent are held in dollars.

The largest increase in reserves was in May, when the dollar weakened sharply as Treasury yields in the US rose. Fear of a weaker dollar contributed to inflows to China, sparking offsetting intervention by the Chinese authorities to stem strength in the renminbi.

Clearly more dollar weakness ? it hit its lowest level against a basket of six leading currencies this week ? is not in China?s interest. Qu Hongbin, chief China economist at HSBC, says this has prompted Chinese policymakers to rethink the root causes of the ?dollar trap? they find themselves in.

?There is a growing consensus in Beijing that one of the fundamental reasons the country has fallen into this trap is that its own currency is not yet an international currency,? he says.

This means Chinese exporters and importers have to rely on the dollar for invoicing more than 70 per cent of the country?s $2,600bn annual trade flows.

With China?s exports surging nearly 30 per cent annually from 2002 to 2007, and government controls on overseas investment by domestic corporations and households, most of the dollar receipts can be recycled out of the country though just one channel: the central bank?s reserve accumulation.

?To find an ultimate solution to this issue, apart from gradually loosening controls on capital outflows, Beijing has realised that it is time to push the internationalisation of the renminbi,? says Mr Qu.

Mr Qu says this move is long overdue, given China?s rising economic power relative to the limited use of the renminbi overseas.

China?s nominal gross domestic product topped $4,300bn last year and is estimated to reach $4,700bn this year, implying that China may overtake Japan as the world?s second-largest economy in 2010. HSBC says China was already ranked as the world?s third-largest trading country last year, and is likely to overtake Germany as the world?s second-largest trading nation by the end of this year.

In order to kick-start the process of internationalisation, China has begun an ambitious scheme to raise the role of the renminbi in international trade and finance and reduce reliance on the dollar.

Earlier this month, China announced a pilot initiative that expanded settlement agreements between Hong Kong and five big trading cities, including Guangzhou and Shanghai.

On top of this, to provide seed money to its trading partners, this year the People?s Bank of China has signed a total of Rmb650bn ($95bn) in bilateral currency swap agreements with six central banks: South Korea, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Belarus and Argentina.

HSBC says China is still in talks with other central banks to form additional swap agreements and was likely to expand them to cover all the country?s trade with Asia, excluding Japan.

This would be followed by an expansion to take in other emerging market countries, including those in the Middle East and Latin America, that needed renminbi to pay for their imports of Chinese manufactured goods.

Mr Qu believes the process of internationalising the renminbi may be quicker than many expect, estimating that more than half of China?s total trade flows, primarily bilateral trade with emerging market countries, are likely to be settled in renminbi in the next three to five years.

?This means that nearly $2,000bn worth of cross-border trade flows would be settled in renminbi, making it one of the top three currencies used in global trade,? he says.

But not all analysts believe that China can solve its dollar dependency so quickly.

Indeed, Marc Chandler at Brown Brothers Harriman describes China?s efforts so far in providing currency swap lines as a ?drop in a bucket? compared with its trading volumes.

He says China?s dollar dependency is a problem of its own making, given that its reserve accumulation has sometimes been larger than its trade surplus as it sterilises foreign direct investment and speculative inflows into the country.

?I don?t see how use of the renminbi, even if it could be foisted on other countries would solve any of China?s problems,? says Mr Chandler.

He says a more flexible currency will help the Chinese authorities avoid painting themselves deeper into a corner, but it will not change China?s competitive position very much, given the way it really competes is cheap labour costs. I think the talk of international monetary regime change and the renminbi as an invoicing currency is largely political posturing.?



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ed6fd068-7d20-11...nclick_check=1#
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 03:50 PM

China is starting to unload its dollar reserves. It reduced its US treasury holdings by 3% in June! Will there be more on the way? If this keep up, we could be looking at full convertibility in less than five years!

Then China will finally be free of economic bondage.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-08...ent_8582318.htm
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:23 PM

Did you read the news from Australia?

http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/8208877.stm

PetroChina has signed a $41 Billion deal for Gas from a new field over a 20 year period.

Typically; if following form, this will be an agreed amount of Gas annually for the whole of the term at an agreed price (or at least price formula). In effect China has transformed Dollars into Gas at an already agreed exchange rate that should protect against any subsequent dollar devaluation.
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 01:58 PM

Big news! China is converting the dollar reserves into IMF notes -- 50 billion dollars at a time. It will take about 15-20 more of these purchases to properly diversify away from the dollar.

Could the next step be US issuing bonds in RMB?


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China to buy first IMF bonds for 50 billion dollars

Washington, Sept 2 (AFP) China has agreed to buy the first International Monetary Fund bonds for about USD 50 billion , the IMF said today.

IMF managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn and the deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, Yi Gang, signed the agreement Wednesday at IMF headquarters in Washington, the multilateral institution said.

Under the agreement, the Chinese central bank "would purchase up to SDR 32 billion (around USD 50 billion) in IMF notes," it said.


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Posted 06 September 2009 - 10:50 AM

Its becoming increasingly difficult to actually keep up with events. Ultimately nature abhors a vacuum and so will seek to fill it. In this case the vacuum is the implosion of the US economy and; perhaps more importantly, its currency. In this perspective, China and other Creditor nations are at risk of being sucked in to the evacuated space and therefore in danger of going to far to quickly.

The challenge then for China is to control its expansion.

Seriously though, there are so many stories circulating which are credible but so far unverifiable. In March there were stories of China being given "Eminent Domain" ie Physical Collateral of Mainland US fixed Assets, for its existing and future debt purchases.

You can add many others.
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 06:23 PM

It came as a surprise, but it turns out the Chinese purchase of SDR was made in RMB!

Something is more than meets the eye here. There is certainly a process of negotiation and signaling going on.

Sampan, that stuff about eminent domain is garbage. Issuing bonds in foreign currency is different. This is what creditors do to banana republics when they need loans while in distress.
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Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:12 AM

View PostRoger604, on Sep 7 2009, 06:23 PM, said:

It came as a surprise, but it turns out the Chinese purchase of SDR was made in RMB!


Hey, not exactly breaking news but I thought I would add that China probably brought those SDR in RMB because they value making RMB a reserve currency more importantly than safegarding the value of it's USD reserve. Which in my opinion is absolutely the right choice, money is way less important than strategic soft power.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:30 PM

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BEIJING: China is set to use the ASEAN meet to sell the idea of making the Yuan an international currency. It is using the sense of uncertainty over the US dollar to sell a new dream of enlarged regional trade, financial support from Beijing and reduced dependence on the volatile dollar.



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Posted 03 April 2010 - 08:52 AM

The PRC is considering expanding its scheme of International Trade settlement in RMB

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/chin.../c_13235562.htm

This is an important step in the fight with the US over China being a currency manipulator. With more countries in the region using the RMB more and more, any US action would have far wider consequences than simply the bi-lateral. The US may be able to make a point, but would serve only to further erode its position in SE Asia, with countries emerging from recession would take an unwarranted and unwelcome knock and leave Washington wide open to accusations of being an irresponsible stake holder.
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Posted 05 April 2010 - 01:40 PM

You know with so much talk of making RMB a reserve currency, there sure haven't been a lot of action... but of course, these type of things take time, can't wait!
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Posted 06 April 2010 - 01:25 AM

Do you guys think, once RMB is free floated people would flock to buy it?

In my point of view, the weakest the RMB can be is at the current trade value and in reality with the free float people would see it as an even safer savings?

If the Chinese go even further by issuing bonds it may be the new reserve currency and I have a feeling that it may even happen overnight.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 02:40 AM

View Postyongke, on Apr 5 2010, 09:40 PM, said:

You know with so much talk of making RMB a reserve currency, there sure haven't been a lot of action... but of course, these type of things take time, can't wait!


You just don't hear much about it, they are working around the clock on this.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=17677 ---> Not really an article about the Yuan, but they devoted a quite good summary of the Chinese activities.

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Already for an extended period of time China was quite aggressive in diversifying its reserves and protecting from weakening dollar, recommending its private sector to do the same.

The Chinese Ministry of Finance said in the beginning of September 2009 that it would issue 6 billion yuan worth of government bonds in Hong Kong, a major step to internationalize its currency at a time of concern about the dollar. (27)

Same month China bought the equivalent of $50 billion of the first bond sale by the International Monetary Fund, a purchase that might raise Beijing?s standing in the fund and help the government?s quiet campaign to expand the reach of its currency. China took the unusual step of paying for the IMF bonds with 341.2 billion yuan ? which is not traded on global markets ? rather than dollars. (28)

The country signed currency agreement with Argentina and agreed to credit South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia and Belarus with its own currency. (29)

In the mid-September 2009, the International Monetary Fund announced that it was going to sell 403 tons of gold. Chinese central bank showed its willingness to buy the whole offer. (30)

The People?s Bank of China showed its intention to decrease its dollar reserves. Chinese authorities will increase their euro and yen reserves. (31)

China and Brazil established international payments in national currency of the Republic of China. Zhuhai Geli corporation received a transfer of several million yuan from San Paolo in the fall of 2009. (32)

Foreign investments of Chinese companies rose in the 3d quarter of 2009 reaching $20,5 billion. The number is almost three times higher as opposed to the last year statistics for the same period of time, as data of the Chinese Ministry of Trade showed. (33)

The country was seeking to expand its African oil reserves by bidding for up to a sixth of Nigeria's crude reserves constituting approximately 6 billon barrels. Valuing near $30-50 billion Chinese offer is higher than that of the current owners. China has been buying oil resources around the World for the second year already. (34)

Chinese companies may invest about $ 4,4 billion into Peru?s mining sector within the next three years, said Bloomberg referring to the statement made by the Prime Minister of Peru Javier Velasquez. (35)

Nearly 44% ($14,3 billion) of the total volume of China?s investments within the first nine months of 2009 were coming into mining and production sector. Representative of the Asian Development Bank noted that investing in the mining sector by purchasing stocks corresponded to a long-term strategy of the country to achieve resource security. (36)

China Investment Corporation (CIC), a sovereign wealth fund responsible for managing part of Chinese foreign exchange reserves, ?has been quietly accumulating stakes in resource firms including Canada's Kinross Gold Corp. and Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan according to a filing with securities regulators.? (37)

CIC chairman Lou Jiwei ?recently said that CIC would focus on investing in emerging markets in 2010. In October, the CIC chairman said the fund had allocated $110-billion for foreign investments and had already deployed about half of that.? (38)

?In addition to its $3.5-billion interest in Teck, CIC has a $652-million stake in Brazilian iron ore and nickel giant Vale SA, a $4.7-million interest in copper miner Freeport-McMoRan, and a $9.1-million holding in steel producer ArcelorMittal.? CIC has also acquired stakes in a number of high-profile brand name companies in North America such as Research In Motion Ltd., Apple Inc., News Corp., and AIG Inc. (39)

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:05 PM

View PostIchiNiSan, on Apr 6 2010, 02:40 AM, said:

You just don't hear much about it, they are working around the clock on this.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=17677 ---> Not really an article about the Yuan, but they devoted a quite good summary of the Chinese activities.


Isn't that just drops in a bucket? Doesn't sound that ground breaking. But don't get me wrong, any progress is good progress.
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:31 AM

The sums involved are quite substantial and growing quite quickly on any scale other than that of the 24 hour news channel. Its also a different approach. Rather than have a grand announcement that the RMB is now a fully tradeable/convertible currency etc, they are building it up slowly in a series of selected bilateral agreements, until; I would guess, it reaches a critical mass where it has achieved these things in a da-facto manner.

It also means that the RMB can build this position without being exposed to the licensed currency manipulators of the exchange rate markets.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:43 AM

These are actually huge progresses and diplomats are most likely still working overtime trying to close new deals and drafting new agreements. When Hu Jintao arrives in Brazil during the BRIC gathering and the following visits to Venezuela and Chile, you can almost count on that the Yuan will be very high on the agenda.

And one day, to many it would almost look like "overnight" changing the RMB status.

My take would still be that China should be very firm on letting it start floating again ONLY when we are fully ready for it. We should not fall into the same trap as Japan did by appreciating the Yen and letting it freely trade pre-matured and unprepared.....
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