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The Korean Missile Crisis

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Posted 15 March 2009 - 11:56 AM

I don't think there is any longer any doubt that a potentially very dangerous situation is developing on the Korean peninsular and that it probably revolves around the perception of weakness and division among the North Korean leadership.

I have tried to summarise some key porions on SDF and so repeat some posts here

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The ultimate driver of which is the fact; which must slowly be dawning in Washington, that the "moment of Unipolarity" is over and that History has started itself up once again.

The key lesson to be learned from the EEZ arguement is that what constitues law in the Chinese controlled areas is now a matter for China to decide and nobody else. The dispatch of the destroyer is almost comical as very clearly any decision for it to use force against the Chinese just 75 miles from a major base would simply be suicide by proxy.

The original, unanswered and apparently forgotten question from the beginning of this affair was why all the fuss now? I think it would be extremely naive to look at this through any other light than that from the prism of the current North Korea crisis. I am amazed how the current tensions can be ignored especially on a Chinese Military forum!! The Japanese threat to try and intercept the missile is credible and obviously sanctioned by the US. The threats of North Korean full retaliation are also credible and to regard them as sabre rattling would be naive in the extreme.

The basic strategic realities of the region remain unchanged and a US presence in North Korea today is just as unacceptable to China and Russia as it was Fifty years ago.

Clearly unless China was prepared to see this eventuality pass, it would need to prepare its forces for possible interdiction and an early act of this preperation would be the dispatch of its entire available Submarine Fleet to take up advance patrol positions. It is this that the Impeccable and Victorious were listening so aggressively for and why the Chinese responded so strongly in kind.

Into all of this however has stepped Chinese Premier Wen Jia Bao and with the simple expression of "worry" Little old Grandpa Wen has caused more fear in DC than any military mobilisation would elicit. In a few simple words Wen has reminded the world of the last time that Global power shifted decisively from Great Britain to the US and how the US demonstrated it to remove any possible lingering doubt, by voicing first opposition to and then orchistrating a devastating run on Sterling during the Suez Crisis.

So what exactly is the Chinese message? that Unipolarity has passed and America must now decide whether it wants the world to realise this slowly, in a controlled way, over a respectable period of time, or in a very sudden and brutal fashion.

Weighing it all up with the whole situation, I have to say that I am glad its not a choice I have to make!


and regarding the Japanese threat.

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This is a highly aggressive act and far more than an exchange of fire betweem gunboats. The T2; if it is the DPRK's LRBM, is a cornerstone of their Strategic Defence and an essential ingrediant in their Nuclear Weapons programme. An attack on the missile is an attack on North Korean security at the most fundemantal level.

If this were not bad enough it takes place against a backdrop of severe global economic hardship and when many of the players have transitional or weak leadership, which means plenty of internal jockying and struggles.

A direct challange to North Korean security at a time when the power of the dear leader is unclear can only lead to a very robust response. Please also do not forget the DPRK's secret weapon; the fact that once shooting starts all the major players (who are afterall most of the worlds most powerful nations by one measure or another) have no choice but to become involved, as no side can afford such a dramatic shift in the Strategic Geopolitical sitution as to have the Peninsular reunified against their interest.

Most sane nations will always bend over backwards to stop the fighting from starting, but once it does start, the priorties change and they will have no option but to switch from prevention to winning. Rapid escalation cannot be viewed simply as a possibility, but as a given and policy based on this view is exactly what we are seeing, hence the "unprecendented" diplomatic traffic in the region especially between the US, China and Russia.


It does appear that many unfortunate tides in world affairs are threatening to collide over the Korean peninsular with the very real chance of wholly calamitous consequences.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 07:15 AM

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pac...3740451872.html

Seems like, thanks to Chinese intervention i think, Pyongyang is starting to get back down to earth, and maybe re-establish a united front together and repair relations.
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 11:35 PM

I still think tensions are very high and that this could be one of the most dangerous moments for the world since Cuba. The visit by the North Korean president and the detention of two US Journalists (alledgedly while still on Chinese soil!) just goes to show how edgy people still are.

While I have no doubt that much of the Beijing talks will center on official six party talks business, there will also be the awkward conversations about what happens if Japan shoots down the missile. Whatever its misgivings, I doubt if China would wish to align itself with the US view and set a precedent to prevent devleoping nations from undertaking certain areas of R & D.

The situation must finally rest with Japan not taking a shot or maybe being able to intercept the intercept missile (if such is possible).

Much though must come down to what must be an intense arm wrestling match between China and the US about whose vision will hold sway and the the very serious implications for the dollar if the US does not restrain Japan.

If it can....... because one aspect of this I suspect, is that the weakening of the US may actually be allowing the Japanese to be more assertive in their own right, rather than simply act as a cipher for others.....
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 11:57 PM

This certainly makes for interesting timing:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/...nt_11032792.htm
Premiers unveil China-DPRK Friendship Year in Beijing


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BEIJING, March 18 (Xinhua) -- With folk dances and songs, China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) Wednesday unveiled their year-long exchange program, "China-DPRK Friendship Year."

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and his DPRK counterpart, Kim Yong Il, attended the premiere of friendship year, together with ministers of foreign affairs, trade and culture of both countries.


Under the circumstances I would say that Beijing was send a very loud signal to the region about its views and to dispell any possible miscalculation about its reaction to attempts to change the Strategic Balance against its interests!
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 10:40 PM

Scary. One of my friends actually knows one of the two kidnapped journalists. He talked to her two weeks ago.

I think the only resolution to this nuclear problem is Korean War II. They'll never solve this by talk. Even if they do, Kim will just come up with something better afterwards. North Korea doesn't fit in with Asia and they never change and adapt. Korea will be so much better after reunification under the ROK.
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 11:32 PM

Be careful what you wish for Hazh :unsure:

I for one will be very glad to reach April 9th without there having been any incident of any kind.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 11:22 PM

The Rocket is on the Launch Pad

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7964364.stm
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 11:42 PM

View PostHaZh, on Mar 23 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

Scary. One of my friends actually knows one of the two kidnapped journalists. He talked to her two weeks ago.

I think the only resolution to this nuclear problem is Korean War II. They'll never solve this by talk. Even if they do, Kim will just come up with something better afterwards. North Korea doesn't fit in with Asia and they never change and adapt. Korea will be so much better after reunification under the ROK.
War is never the answer. Its seems like you want war just so ROK can "win" and take over DPRK. :unsure:
I think that is absolutly rediculous. A war could lead to disasturous consequences especially a war in the korean Peninsula
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 12:36 PM

War is the only realistic solution to bring about the reunification of Korea. Will North Korean leaders simply walk away and let the other side take over? Not a chance! And lets' not even talk about having it the other way around. This is between a prosperous democracy and a backwards, power hungry dictatorship that is too defiant to ever change. They'll never get along in a million years, let alone merge into one country.

Think about the PRC's "Anti-Secession Law." If South Korea had such a law it'd be perfectly legal for them to invade right now.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 12:47 AM

View PostHaZh, on Mar 26 2009, 11:36 PM, said:

War is the only realistic solution to bring about the reunification of Korea. Will North Korean leaders simply walk away and let the other side take over? Not a chance! And lets' not even talk about having it the other way around. This is between a prosperous democracy and a backwards, power hungry dictatorship that is too defiant to ever change. They'll never get along in a million years, let alone merge into one country.

Think about the PRC's "Anti-Secession Law." If South Korea had such a law it'd be perfectly legal for them to invade right now.


Well this is a very interesting comment.

Then I would assume that in this law there would be a definition of Republic of Korea, its boundaries etc.

How would you define that? Using the borders of which year?

Cause if that is so then Japan may also write their anti seccesion law, using the boundaries of 1943
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 09:04 AM

Pravda indicates that Russia is worried by the potential for conflict too!

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/26-03-...0-north_korea-0
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 08:55 PM

View PostRenmin, on Mar 25 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

War is never the answer. Its seems like you want war just so ROK can "win" and take over DPRK. :unsure:
I think that is absolutly rediculous. A war could lead to disasturous consequences especially a war in the korean Peninsula



Well, if South Korea can successfully paralyze any North Korean WMDs and stem the damage caused by DPRK saboteurs or artillery, the rest could be done relatively painlessly.

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 11:15 PM

Thats the point Fox, the stakes are so high that none of the major players are just going to sit back and let it happen and the notion that they would; which seems to be prevelent in so many posts originating from people in the States is genuinly shocking!

The craziest notion is that somehow Russia and China would be glad to see South Korea "unify" the north and maybe even help.

Please understand, that the moment a conflict began on the Peninsular

a} It would immedaitly become a regional conflict as all major players seek to end the conflict as quickly as possible with unification by victory of their particular proxy.

b} risk spreading beyond the region and into a general conflict active where ever the major parties in opposition come into contact with each other.

If Japan has an ounce of sense, they will just let the bloody thing go!
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 09:27 AM

I am very pleased to note that the US, Japan and South Korea seem to have backed down considerably over the weekend and are now falling over themselves to deny plans to shoot down the missile.

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7970985.stm

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7971278.stm

In this instance we may be justified in concluding that the West blinked first?
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:21 PM

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/id...E53314H20090404

Well, looks like we certainly are in a new era as the west and its fellows are willing to admit they had faulty intelligence before they started a war.

Oh well, i'm sure the CIA takes comfort in the fact that it isn't the worst intelligence agency in the world.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:15 PM

It would, had they been aware that an erroneous report had been filed :lol:
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:31 AM

Well time to relax, its up and apparently in orbit and only verbal sniping from the usual suspects.

China and Russia have called for restraint from all sides, which is diplomatic speak for, "shut up, sit down and stop whinging, you big girls blouses" :lol:
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:30 PM

Looks like it crashed. I'd be surprised if they put a ballistic missile in orbit, kinda beats the purpose :lol:
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Posted 07 April 2009 - 03:28 PM

http://www.spiked-on...e/article/6437/

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 10:40 PM

North Korea has announced that it is walking away from the six nation talks and recommissioning its Weapons Grade Fuel processor at Yongbyon.

This is pretty high stakes stuff as it represents a battle of political wills. My guess is that Beijing and Pyongyang think that America is on the ropes and that this is the time to finish them off (politically). Afterall the US and its proxy's have had to back down on their original threat to destroy the missile and the UN based retaliation was watered down so much by Russia and China that it was largely inconsequential. It makes sense to continue the pressure and expose American impotence and undermine the whole rationale for a continued US military presence in the region.
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