[Sampanviking]

My apologies to Player, who started a similar, but more general thread recently but.......

Having spent some time browising news forums recently, I have really formed a view that this is going on. In the wake of Mumbai, these forums are awash with pro Neo-con pro Iseali posters, who seem only interested in trolling and flamming any thread on the subject untill either other posters give up or threads are closed or deleted.

This was very different from the Chinese Net retalliation to the Tibet Riots. These Jewish (for surely it is they) seem intent in only closing discussion down and effectively strangling any from of media not directly controlled by themselves.

Any experiences and examples, thoughts of your own welcomed.

[Roger604]

I think the neo-cons are licking their wounds now. From what I've seen, more people are coming to the view that unilateralism from the 90's to now is an anomaly that probably has ended.

[Lars]

While this is a very od post I feel compelled to ask what Jews you refer to? Do they sit around in a big "Jew room" looking for new and exciting ways to disrupt the free-flow of information? Is that what they discuss at Temple? Where did you come about with such insider information? Do I get banned from this forum for asking?

Sampanviking, on Nov 29 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

My apologies to Player, who started a similar, but more general thread recently but.......

Having spent some time browising news forums recently, I have really formed a view that this is going on. In the wake of Mumbai, these forums are awash with pro Neo-con pro Iseali posters, who seem only interested in trolling and flamming any thread on the subject untill either other posters give up or threads are closed or deleted.

This was very different from the Chinese Net retalliation to the Tibet Riots. These Jewish (for surely it is they) seem intent in only closing discussion down and effectively strangling any from of media not directly controlled by themselves.

Any experiences and examples, thoughts of your own welcomed.

[Sampanviking]

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Do I get banned from this forum for asking?

Nobody gets out of here that easy

[wdl76]

In answer to Lars

Being Asian, I don't really care about Jewish / Non Jewish to be honest.

But frankly from my point of view, yes they are really powerful people all around the world. And yes they do call the shots and yes there are a big Jewish room with all the influential bankers, politician and businessmen sit around and make decisions.

They are called Lobby groups, some are open of their existence some are not.

Anyway these groups are very exclusive and I believe the existence of such a group is racist in nature.

The thing that I don't really like from these people is that they are riding on the western guilt, they are not ashamed of bringing up and reminding people of Auschwitz but alas I don't think the are the most unfortunate people on earth. Lost of races and groups suffered worst fate.

Even a half blind people can see how powerful they are:

1. Israel owns Nuclear arsenal.
2. Palestinian oppresion
3. US - Israel allignment in foreign policy
4. Iran case

Etc


Pretty interestingly the Anglo Saxon has a similar group, they would like to think they are calling the shots but they are not, but they are still very powerful.

And I am not going to kid myself and you and say that Asian doesn't have one. We do, I think it is called Kongsi but they are pretty much limited to domestic affairs.

[Lars]

wdl76, on Jan 26 2010, 03:30 PM, said:

In answer to Lars

Being Asian, I don't really care about Jewish / Non Jewish to be honest.

But frankly from my point of view, yes they are really powerful people all around the world. And yes they do call the shots and yes there are a big Jewish room with all the influential bankers, politician and businessmen sit around and make decisions.

They are called Lobby groups, some are open of their existence some are not.

Anyway these groups are very exclusive and I believe the existence of such a group is racist in nature.

The thing that I don't really like from these people is that they are riding on the western guilt, they are not ashamed of bringing up and reminding people of Auschwitz but alas I don't think the are the most unfortunate people on earth. Lost of races and groups suffered worst fate.

Even a half blind people can see how powerful they are:

1. Israel owns Nuclear arsenal.
2. Palestinian oppresion
3. US - Israel allignment in foreign policy
4. Iran case

Etc


Pretty interestingly the Anglo Saxon has a similar group, they would like to think they are calling the shots but they are not, but they are still very powerful.

And I am not going to kid myself and you and say that Asian doesn't have one. We do, I think it is called Kongsi but they are pretty much limited to domestic affairs.

1) 6,000,000 Isralis facing 1,000,000,000 Muslims who whish to kill them.
2) It works both ways. Muslims blow themselves up in cafes, daycare centers, and senioe citizen's hospice.
3) Isreal-USA Alignment...China-Iran, China-North Korea. We all have alliances.
4)Iran case---it is Iran who threatens to "burn Israel to the ground" Israel has never stated it wishes the demise of Iran.

Western Society has take a more sympathetic approach to the holocaust than most Asian nations to the war crimes perpetuated by the Japanese in Asia. Is the west to be villified for its stance on Hitler's reighn of terror? I hope not.

Lobbying groups -- There are lobbying groups from just about every nation, culture, and religion in the USA. The Jewish lobby is organized and strong. that is not a bad thing. If you think America is somehow "ruled" by the Israelis just remember the Palestian authority is the second largest receipient of aid from the US Government. The USA supports openly a two nation solution, but not at the expense of punishing Israel for its success in literally ever area it has improved the land it rests on. If you think the Jews are unfair I ask you...would you rather be a Muslim in Tel Aviv or a Jew in Mecca? If you were the latter, it is punishable by death.

[wdl76]

Lars, on Feb 2 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

1) 6,000,000 Isralis facing 1,000,000,000 Muslims who whish to kill them.
2) It works both ways. Muslims blow themselves up in cafes, daycare centers, and senioe citizen's hospice.
3) Isreal-USA Alignment...China-Iran, China-North Korea. We all have alliances.
4)Iran case---it is Iran who threatens to "burn Israel to the ground" Israel has never stated it wishes the demise of Iran.

1. Billion ??? aw come on. Well if that is the case then North Korea wouldn't be too wrong to want nuke
2. Sure after Israeli literally kicked them off their ancestoral land that is, I probably would do the same if someone did that to me.
3. Ok we all have alliances so that is an accepted norm.
4. Not really they just dispatched bombers and invade their neighbour and burn it to the ground over some POW

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Western Society has take a more sympathetic approach to the holocaust than most Asian nations to the war crimes perpetuated by the Japanese in Asia. Is the west to be villified for its stance on Hitler's reighn of terror? I hope not.

Well our asses are still sore from Nanjing, but no-one seemed to care, The Jugun Ianfu matter has never been solved. We are still waiting for the people responsible to be named, shamed and judged but alas Hirohito escaped the punishment, Hitler shouldn't commit suicide coz the allied may kept as chancellor.

Also probably a good place to tell a story, my dad told me that there was this old big tree next to the station at our hometown. Back during the Japs occupation these trees bears fruits almost everyday. Corpses are hanged there by the Japs.

I probably don't need to tell you how Japs kills Chinese for sports using their Samurai swords? And oh once upon a time in Shanghai there is a park with a big sing saying:


"No dogs and Chinese are allowed"

FYI if you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Japan past probably is not really a popular subject in the Western world.
But asks any Asian (non japan of course) of what they did to them in WW2.
Ask the Koreans, Chinese, South East Asian?

It seemed the Singaporean death march is more of a war crime to the western world while the Nanjing massacre, what massacre?

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Lobbying groups -- There are lobbying groups from just about every nation, culture, and religion in the USA. The Jewish lobby is organized and strong. that is not a bad thing. If you think America is somehow "ruled" by the Israelis just remember the Palestian authority is the second largest receipient of aid from the US Government. The USA supports openly a two nation solution, but not at the expense of punishing Israel for its success in literally ever area it has improved the land it rests on. If you think the Jews are unfair I ask you...would you rather be a Muslim in Tel Aviv or a Jew in Mecca? If you were the latter, it is punishable by death.

Because the Jewish group is so strong and influential, that it is to the best interest of the Jewis people that America stays as the sole superpower.

Does it matter that the state of Israely steals American military secrets?
Palestinian as main recipient of aid, sure otherwise who will feed them ? The Israeli? People living in Gaza needs to dig tunnel to egypt just to get their day to day necesities.
So by throwing a few dollars justifies the Palestinian condition?

Me ? I would rather not be a moslem anywhere at this point of time.
Yes Moslem in Tel Aviv are probably better off, why because there the economy actually works and they don't have to dig a tunnel.
But these people have to qeueu from dawn to cross the border to make a few bucks, they earned like 25% of Isreali earns, Jerusalem is like Berlin in the cold war minus the wall.

Hey I have no love of Islamic Law but it is their law, I don't have a say in that. Punishable by death? Yes but there is a democratic country that being in a lower caste to want to own land, marry a girl from a higher caste may get you lynched by the mob and the police force are so corrupt they decided to look the other way.

In another democratic country being a politician means you can have your own private army and intimidate the population, hell this guy even massacred a whole group of the opposition.

[Sampanviking]

Israel is I am afraid doomed to fail and fail with a relatively short period of time.

The US/Israeli axis has been regarded quite rightly as very powerful, but I think few people appreciate the true source of that Power. The truth is that for nearly 100 years the West has been able to impose it will on the nations of the Middle East because for all of that time, they have been the only nations with any substantial demand for Oil.

Arab Sheiks were taught very early on that if they wished to enjoy the pleasures that only extreme wealth could give them, they had no option but to provide the West with the Oil it required and ensure its security of supply. If a leader tried to defy this, then they first discovered that there was no other substantial customer and then they would be removed and replaced with a more compliant leader.

This was the world into which Israel was born and able to survive. The world has now however changed and the Arab nations are learning that they do indeed have a choice of customer and that the new Customer; The Peoples Republic of China, has an even greater potential demand for Oil than the entire west.

It is only a matter of simple maths and time. we are now seeing the final process in which China establishes its energy security throughout Central Asia and consolidate itself in Iran. From here China will be able to consolidate further its inroads in the Saudi Peninsular with its insatiable thirst of an economy that is doubling in less than each decade.

In less than twenty years the PRC is on track to overtake the US as the worlds largest economy and in another decade become the size of both the US and EU economies combined. At this point Chinese influence in the middle east will displace America's even in Saudi itself, while the PLA will be a greater security force than NATO.

From this time on, Arab states liberated from their dependence from America and protected and supplied by Chinese Security Structures will be capable of removing the Zionist state without fear of reprisal. China has no need of Israel and no desire to offend its Arab Clients and so Israel will be "disincorporated".

This will hardly be a tragedy and will sit well as poetic justice to many Chinese who see the State of Israel as a State created on the back of Narcotics trafficking, much of which began with the Sassoon/Rothschild consortiums Opium Trade against China in the 19th Century.

[wdl76]

Lars, on Feb 2 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

If you think the Jews are unfair I ask you...would you rather be a Muslim in Tel Aviv or a Jew in Mecca? If you were the latter, it is punishable by death.

Apparently being a Moslem in the USA is also punishable by death

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The USA PATRIOT Act was reauthorized by two bills. The first, the USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act of 2005, was passed by both houses of Congress in July 2005. This bill reauthorized provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act and the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. It created new provisions relating to the death penalty for terrorists****

****USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act of 2005 (U.S. H.R. 3199, Public Law 109-177), Title II ("Terrorist Death Penalty Enhancement")

If you are not in the USA you are punishable by death by bombing for being "alleged" terorist

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Al-Qaeda's Yemen chief killed in airstrike
RFI - ‎Jan 15, 2010‎
Alleged Al-Qaeda members Ammar al-Wa?li, Ayedh al-Chabwani and Saleh Al-Ta?s also died in the airstrike. According to analysts, the Yemeni branch of ...

[IchiNiSan]

Sampanviking, on Jan 3 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

Nobody gets out of here that easy

at most for an extended holiday

[Sampanviking]

IchiNiSan, on Feb 9 2010, 01:34 AM, said:

at most for an extended holiday

I suspect that you did try and escape, but just walked in a large circle

[IchiNiSan]

Sampanviking, on Feb 9 2010, 05:35 PM, said:

I suspect that you did try and escape, but just walked in a large circle

certainly a large circle considered that i did go around the globe literally speaking after my last time to Holland (flew to LA from NL before coming back).

[Sampanviking]

IchiNiSan, on Feb 11 2010, 02:23 AM, said:

certainly a large circle considered that i did go around the globe literally speaking after my last time to Holland (flew to LA from NL before coming back).

Now that sounds like a fun trip! business, pleasure, bit of both, or the former posing as the latter?

[IchiNiSan]

Sampanviking, on Feb 11 2010, 05:23 PM, said:

Now that sounds like a fun trip! business, pleasure, bit of both, or the former posing as the latter?

Work hard, Play hard! Enjoy your life!

HBtw, how often customers come to China for an official agenda which we could not handle in a conference call and/or skyping????

[Sampanviking]

IchiNiSan, on Feb 12 2010, 03:49 AM, said:

Work hard, Play hard! Enjoy your life!

HBtw, how often customers come to China for an official agenda which we could not handle in a conference call and/or skyping????

Hmm difficult, I guess once have established a necessary degree of trust with your contacts you could start to deal long distance, but you have to get there first and; in my experience, you get there by proving that your no fool and prepared to make the effort to build the relationships face to face in the first place.

I think an organisation needs a physical presence in the country, even though this does not mean that the senior bods necessarily need to fly over ever 5 minutes. I mean of course either a dedicated buying office based in HK/PRC or a very trusted agent.

Its different for us as I love it over there and of course Mrs S has all her family.

[IchiNiSan]

Sampanviking, on Feb 12 2010, 05:21 PM, said:

Hmm difficult, I guess once have established a necessary degree of trust with your contacts you could start to deal long distance, but you have to get there first and; in my experience, you get there by proving that your no fool and prepared to make the effort to build the relationships face to face in the first place.

I think an organisation needs a physical presence in the country, even though this does not mean that the senior bods necessarily need to fly over ever 5 minutes. I mean of course either a dedicated buying office based in HK/PRC or a very trusted agent.

Its different for us as I love it over there and of course Mrs S has all her family.

Hah, what I actually meant was that customers (new or old) LOVE to come to China to "Work Hard, Play Hard". Which "the former posing as the latter".

Ps. Not ALL customers, but certainly 6 out of the 10 love to come.

[Zhang Heng]

Sampanviking, on Feb 2 2010, 11:53 PM, said:

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It is only a matter of simple maths and time. we are now seeing the final process in which China establishes its energy security throughout Central Asia and consolidate itself in Iran. From here China will be able to consolidate further its inroads in the Saudi Peninsular with its insatiable thirst of an economy that is doubling in less than each decade.

In less than twenty years the PRC is on track to overtake the US as the worlds largest economy and in another decade become the size of both the US and EU economies combined. At this point Chinese influence in the middle east will displace America's even in Saudi itself, while the PLA will be a greater security force than NATO.

From this time on, Arab states liberated from their dependence from America and protected and supplied by Chinese Security Structures will be capable of removing the Zionist state without fear of reprisal. China has no need of Israel and no desire to offend its Arab Clients and so Israel will be "disincorporated".

This will hardly be a tragedy and will sit well as poetic justice to many Chinese who see the State of Israel as a State created on the back of Narcotics trafficking, much of which began with the Sassoon/Rothschild consortiums Opium Trade against China in the 19th Century.

China's economy can overtake that of the U.S. and the EU, but the rest of what you've posted, seems too early to tell.

[Sampanviking]

Zhang Heng, on Mar 3 2010, 07:17 AM, said:

China's economy can overtake that of the U.S. and the EU, but the rest of what you've posted, seems too early to tell.

It all depends on whether you agree or disagree that the historic roots of US Power in the Middle East, is that the US and its European allies were for long time the only real customers for Middle East Oil.